Direct drive Inrunner

I only ever did a rough test in the pool and didn’t get any power values etc. I was holding the motor with my hands and I can confirm it has a fair bit of torque (was rotating in both my hands) and a fair bit of thrust. But it got hot quick, the motor was partially submerged deep enough so the 3D printed prop wouldn’t cavitate.

Maybe it could work. But I didn’t bother with it. I’m confident there is enough thrust to maintain fouling but probably not to get up from a start and it would be pretty low power.

Interesting ! thanks for sharing the info :wink:

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No problem! 2 together would definitely work

I found following formula that gives roughly the torque of any BLDC/PMSM motor. This one is really easy to use and no calculator is needed anymore :

T = (8,3 * Imax) / Kv

Sauce : Things in Motion: How to estimate the torque of a BLDC (PMSM) electric motor using only its Kv and current draw

Calucated the 83110 max torque and found 6.92 NM which is pretty close to the stated 6.5 NM…

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Yep work for me : 1,54Nm for my first step up with a 40mm , these was what i measured with rpm , rpm drop , I , Rm … at the time

But I guess it s all depending on the correct I max , and it hard to get correct numbers for motor , and what it is I max really ? : just before everything is burning ? And how long can it hold that value ?

I got around 1,5 Nm on my motor but it was kind of continuously , more than 250A pics for take off , even if the number was hard to record at this amp value by my esc at the time ( I suspect)
a 80100 can easily pull more than 180A for take off ( for sure) which give 12Nm , and I think it s capable of a lot more before it is stall if well driven , so I am not really sure what s stand for « max » , as well as « continious »

I guess we’ll rely on manufacturer’s specs :slight_smile: That’s how we know about those values.
Just like the SSS56114 inrunner capable of 13kW peak but stated Imax is 93A @ 130V for the 360KV value, which gives me about 2,1NM.
I know it can pull way more A, but still, that’s what the specs gives.

Given this formula , I need 4,5nm to fly at 30km/h right now :thinking:

Is it weird ? Do you consider the gearbox ?

I just had an interesting idea. Based on this formula I calculated the torque of the FR motor : (8,3x100)/130 = 6,38NM
I took 100A peak but I think you can pull more to get on plane. Feel free to correct me.
6,38NM is better than the other outrunners haha. That’s how they get so much punch !

1,54 nm ( continious) on my 40mm was with a 6:1 gearbox
Did not measured with my 56104 set up

Many broke coupler ( prop shaft / gearbox) here given for 12Nm…

With FR motor , setting 70A on my battery , to get more than 30 km/h

For take off with FR motor , I can do it with 90A ( setting motor max amp ) but it is easier and more fun with 130A settings , some people put 150A

Never tried yet « no limit » on this motor which sure I will do

A 80100 can pull 11,5nm for planning and take off @jakebarnhill1 can correct me on that if necessary

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Still, the purpose was just to see if the formula works and it does, which is nice.

I think the reason why many broke the coupler is because you get up to 20NM out of the gearbox PLE40. The above formula only gives you the torque before reduction.

Well then, if the FR motor is set to 130A you get about 8,3NM peak out of the shaft. I’d love to design such a motor but can’t find any company that manufactures a custom BLDC motor with all my specs…

Do you know any company based in EU ? I tried at least 4 differents but never got any answer…I am based in Belgium :slight_smile:

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see Peters post here, Any interest in custom Direct Drive Inrunner - #37 by beonwater - Propulsion System (Motor, Gears) - FOIL.zone
That might be an option but I don’t now the state of his custom made inrunner project.

I did, but would rather love to build my own motor on my side. Sadly I don’t own the necessary equipments. So, still open to any company that makes custom bldc motors in EU.
Remember, from a custom point of view : the more options the lower the total costs :slight_smile:

There are companies that can cut stators and rotors for you. Then you would need to laminate them, wind them and build your own external housing etc.

I would rather go for a single company that makes the whole thing but can eventually begin like this. Do you have any company name on your mind ?

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Thank you !
20 chara

That would be correct according to the formula! 180 phase amps to plane.

BL Motoren too build is easy, I have it work at long time.
But it’s no a good deal :joy:
Best regards Frank

http://www.sitemelettromeccanica.it/eng/electric-motors-prototype/
This is quite a good Company, they design and produce very interesting motors even as prototype, when I see the price for motor at work and the outstanding quality, Maytech prices really pisses me off, but I don’t know how much it could be for a single prototype. I never asked so far, don’t want to mix work and pleasure more than the strictly necessary…

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Wow, this is such a nice motor prototype !
This is supposedly my field but yet, I never got he chance to study the magnetic filed in such a motor. Will definitely give a try if I can. Thanks for sharing :slight_smile: