Gyro balanced efoil

The Gyro appears to be in the remote control so that the remote ultimately becomes your tiller:
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She works for Supernova and does all the Facebook posts…

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All rigth about the chopper of ham…no good for business😆

I have Isabelle a many different quastions, but no goods Answer.
“40% more power, why?”

Best regards Frank

Looks promising, however I think 18kg and below 6000€ is unrealistic…
Gyro control sounds great, but the idea is not new… www.elevate.rocks postted this last year already. They use the gyro control of the skatebaord remote of jaykay-sports

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It is called a box wing or closed wing. Protects the propeller from the ground and offers some protection to the rider against cuts. The history:

2014 kitefoil project: you can google or YT “Bruce creation boxed wing”.
His conclusions were:

  • high lift, like the Horue Bi-plane we discovered on this forum
  • increased stability, increased glide in the 5-10% range but not 40% (Supernova data)
    The board is apparently pitch controlled by motor rpm (must be confirmed).
    First efoil to offer foot hooks by the way. Very interesting splittable torque propeller.

What the designer says about board lack of volume::
‘The board has little to no floatability but with the GBS all the floatability concerns are solved.
When it comes out of the water, the board is self- balanced.’

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Supernova opening on Christmas day on purpose had to set a strong communication campaign up. No official website announced yet. However their facebook page is a news galore that sends LIFT and FLITEBOARD to the a previous century product:

  • transparent, pitch controlled no volume board,
  • light weight (18kg) and price (6000€) for one hour riding sessions with flash recharge,
  • 3 year warranty on their product,
  • a ground braking new type of battery: LTO (Lithium Titanate Oxyde) water-cooled battery: 60% lighter than the other batteries on the market, 3 times faster for charging 6,5kg for 1hour autonomy, 1 hour to full charge.
    Lithium Titanate (LTO) batteries - Info for DiYers - Electronics (ESC, remote, batteries) - FOIL.zone
  • a race efoil model: 11KW, 60kmph (no box wing)
  • a nice mobile application to supervise ESC parameters… you can use your phone as a Bluetooth remote control :star_struck:
  • to be continued …

Amazing specs, 6000€, a European design and service, the most cost-effective brand on the market… Do we have reasons to be sceptical ?

Yes, to every single claim they are making!

  • No volume board: This will make a great submarine!
  • Pitch control: Altering the speed of the motor is hardly pitch control.
  • 3 year warranty: They’ll probably be bankrupt by then.
  • LTO battery: We can buy this tech now already, but considering its $23 for a 12V 1300AH (±200g weight) battery, the entire battery will come to a weight of 24kg and a cost of $2700 alone.
  • Race efoil: So there test foil barely gets over 30kph, but now they can launch a 3D rendered hideous design at 60kph. HAHAHA

These guys are such a JOKE!!!

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I love innovation…
And I hope, by supernova is a little bit truth to it.
But so far, Facebook has never been a good answer to my technical questions.

Best regards frank

Here’s Toshiba’s version of the battery: SCiB™ Modules | SCiB™ Rechargeable battery | Toshiba
27V 40Ah at 14KG. Can’t wait to see how Supernova is running their E-foil :rofl::rofl::rofl:

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“3 year warranty: They’ll probably be bankrupt by then.”
You are a killer😆 i agree but the dream can fly …

The 18kg probably measured in water.
The gyro board offers 2 modes, submarine/anchor or bird :smile:
But once you are in the air buoyancy doesn’t matter, right? :joy:

Wow hahaha that was to the point :joy::joy: put it this way and it doesn’t look so appealing now :joy:

A board doesn’t need volume to be a great foil board, a good example is probably surfboards which aren’t submarines looking how successful they are. The trend is towards less volume.

That’s 35knots. @Flying_Rodeo 's speed record is 58kmph. on a Comet from Moses so the same speed. Esurfs do it every day with footstraps. If they really use a 11KW motor, with foothooks, nothing impossible. Of course, it won’t be comfortable and the battery might not last one hour.

In fact, we don’t know anything yet. Let’s give SuperNova a chance especially if they have something that looks like an assistance.

Let’s give them time to precise the scope of this warranty.

With batteries, things can evolve so quickly and 25 days to Xmas is less than what you have wait to receive your Maytech motor, isn’t it :wink:?

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They have bunch of revolutionary ideas which any of them could disrupt Other already existing markets with much much bigger market caps! Thats make mr feel it either going to be super expensive or never see the light and became just another huge campaign to raise millions, fail and damage trust of VC’s and investors to thus sort of products! I am just hoping to be wrong and see this is going to disrupt like Gravity jet flying suite did.
By the way anybody know french do tell us what does their complicated app do?
https://www.facebook.com/groups/130792084215214/permalink/465627757398310?sfns=mo

This whole post tells me just how little experience you have in the water-sports arena.

  • A surfboard has volume. It might not be a huge amount, but it has enough to allow a surfer to paddle easily and catch waves. Initially you said no volume, so now all of a sudden to defend your claim you’ve gone to “lower” volume. The trend is not to lower volume. It’s to ride as small a board as possible so as to be as manoeuvrable as possible. You can still achieve this with a considerable amount of volume.

-FR’s 58kph was done with the best performing proven products on the market after they had been very well tested. Supernova haven’t even foiled above 40kph yet. So they are just making fake claims with no evidence based testing.

Actually we do. Supernova has said on Facebook that their pitch control is done by controlling motor speed.

  • Battery tech does not move that fast. LTO has been around for a few years already. Another perfect example are Lipo’s. They have been around for ages and are still the preferred method for RC. If the tech moved fast, then they would have been replaced a long time ago…

This is not about giving a company a chance. It’s about having accurate information for the DIY community and public so that if they embark on the journey of building an efoil they do not waste money.

At this stage their app can get information from their battery. The other functions do not work yet. If they are using a VESC then they should also be able to get data from it. Ultimately they are making a huge amount of claims and whenever Isabelle is challenged on them her response is that she doesn’t understand the tech and the engineers should explain. But that explanation never arrives…
From their video’s that they posted a few weeks back, they have a standard DIY looking efoil…

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This comment also tells me that as a water-sports arena expert, you completely missed the teachings of kiteboarding which has taught us (2000-2001) that a medium-sized thin surface can do the job and lift you without volume. For example: thin 120cm twin-tip boards or the 2019 NOBILE Infinity Split Foilboard
The brand behind the Supernova model obviously wants to try this route for manoeuvrability, minimum swing weight, easy travelling, whatever. They have noticed that a kite or a motor can provide the instantaneous grunt to move you out of water quickly. Then in the air (99% of the time) it’s probably a pleasant sensation.
Are they right, are they wrong ? One thing is sure, it is not a classical Alibaba 3D rendering account.

I don’t mind Isabelle’s discretion before the announced product release date (competition matter). I will start to be worried if there is no website passed this date.

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No, I missed nothing. You simply cannot compare kitesurfing to efoiling. With a kite you have huge amounts of vertical lift with zero forward motion required. This means you can use zero volume boards, super unstable foils and even barefoot waterski with a kite.
With efoil on the other hand you have to have a good deal of forward movement before you can achieve any vertical lift. Therefore no volume boards can’t be used. You need enough volume to have a small portion of the board out of the water.
If you don’t believe me, take the Nobile split and attach efoil gear to it…

Supernova is simply trying to create a marketing campaign to stop users buying other products before they release theirs. The problem is they are making outrageous and false claims to do it. The most obvious is the battery. They claim their 50V 40Ah LTO battery weighs 6.5kg and is 60% lighter than other efoil batteries: LTO batteries are much heavier than Li-ion for the same energy density, so it’s impossible. Then they are using a completely different board in all their promo video’s (A standard DIY style efoil). This is also a MASSIVE risk for anyone that falls into buying the product as the “newly” released board will never have been tested.
At least all the other efoil brands had video’s of their actual products (Lift, Fliteboard, Takuma, Pwrfoil, the list goes on).
I’m afraid this company seems exactly like a “classical Alibaba 3D rendering account”. You’ll purchase what you think is an A-list product, but in reality you’ll get a Z-list product…

And they are French ! What a shame ( I hope I will be wrong…) , it is not really difficult to make a Efoil , but going into mass production , you need a lot of money , so if you have the money at start and willing to loose it you might end up with something nice …

battery nothing new and yes claims…
Low volume board not a problem if there is power and I don’t how we will stand on this board , the only thing I want for a board is to be completely flat on top

I am interested to see what will come up next year

What boggles me is how can pitched be measured when the gyro is in the remote ?
If you have an IMU on the board which measures pitch I guess it is possible to control the pitch by motor RPM but how can a hand held remote measure the pitch of the board.

Also, from wikipedia:
Lion batteries: 100 - 265 Wh/kg. Lithium-ion battery - Wikipedia
LTO batteries: 60 - 110 Wh/kg. Lithium-titanate battery - Wikipedia

So seems to me LTO are twice as heavy as Lion ???